Challenging Our Individualistic Culture
Episode 54: Challenging Our Individualistic Culture with Erin Spahr @feminist.mom.therapist
In this episode, Rachael interviews Erin Spahr, a licensed therapist, mother, and maternal mental health advocate. They discuss the intersection of feminism and motherhood, the lack of support and systemic oppression faced by women and parents, and the harmful effects of comparison and external validation on social media.
Here’s what they discuss in this episode:
The importance of self-compassion and self-trust in navigating motherhood
The need for inclusive and identity-affirming care for perinatal individuals
Lack of federal paid parental leave in the US and how it is a MAJOR issue for mothers
How harmful the societal ideology of individualism and the expectation that mothers should do it all without support is
All about the tradwife movement and how it glamorizes an unrealistic and oppressive view of motherhood.
Why does feminism have a negative connotation?
And so much more!
Mentioned in this episode:
Erin’s instagram: @feminist.mom.therapist
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Inclusive Provider Directory website: https://www.inclusiveproviders.com/
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Welcome back to No One Told Us, the podcast that tells the truth about parenting and talks about all the stuff you wish you knew before having kids. I'm your host, Rachel, and today I'm joined by Erin Spahr, a licensed therapist,mother, podcast host, and maternal mental health advocate. Erin uses a feminist lens in her work with mothers and strives to help mothers free themselves from oppressive societal expectations to find more self -confidence and self -compassion.
She hosts the feminist mom podcast where she discusses the intersection of feminism and motherhood with inspiring new guests each week. And Erin recently launched the Inclusive Provider Directory,which is an incredible directory that serves as a vital link, connecting mothers, birthing individuals, and families in the United States and Canada with perinatal providers who prioritize inclusivity and identity affirming care,which is so, so important. Erin sees clients as well in her private practice available to folks in North Carolina and Maryland. And she lives in Raleigh, North Carolina with her husband and two kids. Thank you so much for joining. I'm so excited to have you here.
Yay. Thanks for inviting me. This is exciting. Of course.
Well, I love listening to your podcast and we've chatted, you know, both on and off Instagram before I was a guest on your podcast when you first started. And we had a really great conversation. So I'm going to link that in the show notes as well. And hopefully we won't be repeating ourselves too much here. But I love that you're now kind of in the hot seat and we can talk a little bit about your both your motherhood journey and your journey as a therapist and navigating this world of online, not online therapy, but you know, content creation or whatever you want to call it.
But first I'd kind of love to just hear a little bit about your background. So you started as a therapist. And then did you always have the specialty in working with parents or working in the perinatal period or did that kind of come about after you had your own kids and wanted to shift? How did that all go?
Yeah. I wasn't a therapist that long before I had my first son. So he's almost 12, I guess. And so I had only been practicing a year I was really interested in trauma and I had been working also in like an inner city population with lots of you know people having like poverty to deal with and lots of like complicated problems and I also had this like interest in sociology so I in college Imajored in psychology. I knew I wanted to be a therapist, but I was so interested in my sociology classes, which really teach you about these systems of oppression.
And so it's sort of been a thread for me kind of throughout where I've sort of seen things. I kind of really, I took a lot of classes about like racism in college. And so it's a lens that I've had.
And then when I became a mom, I was like, oh my gosh, like, this is so hard. And I knew that I had a lot of privilege. I had a lot of resources and internal capacity. And I was like, you know, you kind of wake up to the, you're like in this club that you didn't realize existence from the outside. It looks so different than how it feels in the inside. And I remember just being like, wait, this is really hard.
Like, how are people doing this? And so that kind of began my interest in really serving moms. Also really kind of early on was breastfeeding and feeling like that was something that, you know, I breastfed both my kids for like longer than, you know, a lot of people were. The first one was three years and the second one was five. And so that also was like a lens that I felt like alone in and wanted to help normalize a lot of the things that I was seeing.
And then, of course, seeing in my clients. And the feminist mom therapist thing has really developed from sitting with moms and really focusing on perinatal folks and really seeing how, yes, there are hormonal pieces that do impact our mental health and how we experience that transition to motherhood. But there's so much that's impacted by our society.
And that became something that I really, I just cannot stop seeing and wanting to talk about, because I think it's so important that we address it.
Yeah, I agree. So what are some of the things that you see as the most glaring in terms of what is lacking, at least in the U .S., here for women and parents, just as far as the societal and systemic oppression and lack of support. What do you think are the biggest things that we have to overcome right now?
Yeah. I mean, I think structurally, it will probably not be a surprise. I think the fact that we didn't have, that we don't have a federal paid parental leave policy in the U .S. is really, it's really inhumane. And I know we talk about it. And it's sort of like, oh, yeah, it's this thing. We don't have, it's like absolutely horrendous that people are going back to work, you know, two weeks, three weeks, four weeks, postpartum. And that is, I think, like, the number one most inhumane thing that we do to moms.
But then, of course, I think there's this, like, social ideology that in America in particular, but other Western sort of countries share, which is this very individualistic culture, right? Like how much the time do we hear like, you had, you made the choice, you know, you decided to have a baby. It's your responsibility to take care of them. And I think that really, that ideology, that way of thinking spreads to so many areas that really impacts moms in particular, but families in general.
And I think that other cultures, not to romanticize or idolize other cultures because they have their own problems, but I think there is a way where we could be much more collectivist, much more community -based. And I think in the past we were. I think in my podcast, I get to talk to so many smart people who really have done a lot of research into the history. And, you know, for so long, like humans were, you know, we were in clans. We were in communities. We were in the, quote, village that we're always talking about. And that, really not having that is, I think, such is really hurting us in so many ways.
And I think that we see that in partnerships where there's definitely double standards about what women, mothers sort of have on our plates versus what men expect of themselves and what we expect of them. So I think there's a lot where we're sort of this can all kind of touch.
But yeah, that's the kind of overview.
Yeah. And the piece that you hit on for me is like the isolation and the loneliness too. And I just put up a question box on my Instagram today about this because we're kind of talking about stay -at -home moms and working moms and what do you wish, you know, one quote unquote side understood about the other. And from stay at home moms, one of the big things that's coming up in as a theme is the isolation and the loneliness that they feel and how, you know, they love their kids. They love being home with their kids, but they feel so disconnected from society. And I just, I really wish that it wasn't that way. Like you said, we should be raising our kids in community and, and we should have those support systems, right?
Yeah, absolutely. I actually had a similar kind of discussion over the weekend in my stories. It was more focused just on kind of like the stay -at -home mom and just the words don't work,
right? Like I just want to acknowledge. Yeah, stay -at -home mom does not capture the vocation, as somebody, a chief's kicker recently said. Like, you know, it is, it is a vocation. But yeah, working mom, like all moms work. So that doesn't kind of feel great. Full -time mom. We're all full -time moms. So, yeah, like, I think we're trying to have, I think it's important to have words to label like your identity and to be able to talk about what you do. And I think it's helpful. And I just don't know what the words are. Yeah. I know. I don't like them.
I know. None of them feel quite right. And I feel like so many of us, especially post -COVID,
are kind of a hybrid where it's like we are working from home or we're running our own business or we're doing a side hustle because we need the extra income or whatever it is, but we're also the sole caretaker for our kids. So it's like we're doing a little bit of both. Or some people are, you know, working part -time or doing some freelance work or a contractor work or something like that and also caring for the kids. And there's more stay at home dads now.
So there's like so many other iterations of this idea where I think you're right. I think people like to be able to talk about it and label it in a way that feels right. But there's also so many different shades of gray now too. It's not just, oh, I'm a working mom or oh, I'm a stay at home mom, right?
Yeah. And like dads, like you mentioned, we don't really say he's a working dad. Like the assumption is that dads are working. The stay at home dad is almost like this like, you know, a unicorn thing. And I know that's something that Marley is going through.
Yeah. But he's like praised everywhere he goes. Like it's wild. Everybody looks at him like he is just God's gift to the earth like he can walk on water and I'm like I get it I know that it's a hard job- I did it too- and I I am so appreciative of him but at the same time I just wish that there's that awe and respect and admiration for the millions and millions of moms who are doing the same thing.
Yeah yeah- I don't think we should like underestimate how difficult that is right. I think,
like, sometimes these things can feel like, oh, it's just, like, noise. Like, women are just, like, complaining all the time and, like, what, but it's hard to feel invisible and to feel unappreciated when you're doing really important work. I think, and not feeling a lot of respect or empowered in our culture. So, yeah, I think we can't, you know, stop talking about it.
Yeah, and I think you mentioned that kicker and that speech that was made at the university recently. And I think from what I'm gathering, it seems like a lot of women actually did resonate with some of the things that he said. And that's, you know, their prerogative. But I think part of that is probably what you kind of just said, how we are so unappreciated as moms and really just want somebody to recognize like what a huge deal it is to be a mom and to devote your life to staying at home with your kids or to bringing up your kids in whatever way that looks for you. So yeah, I do kind of understand that side of things too with, you know, the misogyny and homophobia that was in that speech aside. Like I do, I do get,
you know, why pieces of it felt good or felt true for some people.
Yes. If they only listen to just like one part of it. Yeah, that one little sentence. One sentence and like, you know, I think it, yeah, I think so many women are starved from for recognition and do hear like, oh, what you're doing is so easy. Anyone can do it. It's like not that serious. It's not a job.
Yeah. It's not a job. So using the word vocation sounds empowering and record like sort of respectful and at the same time there was so much context in kind of how he was saying it where he was saying it and who he was directing to so yeah not a fan of all of that but yes i think i can see why someone might hear that with like a rose -colored glasses or whatever i guess you don't hear with glasses but you get it.
I get it. And I think that, yeah, that piece is part of another thing that I kind of wanted to talk to you about today, which is even just the term feminism seems to have kind of taken on a negative connotation in recent years. And I want to talk to you about that right when we get back. We'll take a quick break.
So, Erin, sometimes feminism has this, like, negative connotation, especially in, like, the political context. And I know you wear the term feminist very proudly as you should.
You're known as the feminist therapist on Instagram. So what does it mean, really, to be a feminist to you?
Yeah. It's definitely not about hating men or hating moms. It's really, I think, a fight toward more equitable power. It's a fight about liberation of marginalized genders, including women. And it's really about fairness. And it's not about equality, like everyone needs to be the same, or we have to sort of say men and women are the same, but it's about really giving everyone the same options and choices to self -determination, right? That's like a human right.
And in this, like, really patriarchy is like, you know, kind of the problem that feminism is trying to solve or to kind of go against. Right. And patriarchy, I've come to understand it's really worldwide, you know? I think patriarchy is like in, in every country that I, that I sort of have heard from people. Like, I think it's worldwide. And women, sometimes it's like when, when it's like the air you breathe and the water you drink, sometimes it's hard to see it. And I talk a lot about how in motherhood, especially if you have had privilege because you are, let's say, white or able -bodied or have education or you have parents that are healthy.
There's so many ways that we can have privilege. I think when you lose it and motherhood can be a way that we can lose it, we might realize like, oh wait, I don't have as many choices.
I have as much freedom. I don't feel, I don't have as much power in the world. And so I think why in the beginning you introduced me as like a matrescentric feminist, that's a particular kind of ideology within the feminist movement, which has many different like iterations that I'm really drawn to because I think it recognizes that motherhood is this important part of feminism that hasn't always, excuse me, that hasn't always been recognized.
And so I think that's part of, like you said, there's like this connotation. I see in some other spaces that feminism is somehow like anti -mother or anti -feminine. And partly because past waves of feminism, we're trying to give women options and kind of bring them into the workplace. And so for some women, that meant denying their motherhood, that meant saying, I, you know, I'm not going to be a mom, right?
And when that happened, a lot of women moved into the workplace, many women were always in the workplace, particularly black and brown women, poor women, right? So there's a lot of layers here, but there was this, like, kind of push for women to be in the workplace in and to have like you know reproductive rights to have credit card like financial freedom that helped women get out of the domestic sphere where we felt trapped many many of us right.
And so now okay so women have been you know had choices much more choices to work, to have an income, to, you know, buy a house. But mothers particularly haven't been given the tools to really be successful and we're burnout and we're drained. And we've been told to just girl boss more, to work harder, which is actually what Coa Beck talks about. Others talk about white feminism, which is really about just, yes, white women or women with privilege, they don't have to be white. White feminism is the name of it, but doesn't mean if you're white, that you're only the person here.
It's this idea that women who have the most privilege can be successful within the patriarchy, right? The sort of the top 1%. And the rest of us are working our butts off and exhausted. So I think there's a reaction to that, understandably, to say, you know, what, this is too much. I was taught to be a girl boss and now I'm burnout and I don't feel good as a mom. I don't feel good as someone, you know, my job because none of these things actually fit in our society. We still have a society that was built on having a 1950s housewife at home. And we all wish we had one.
I wish I had one. Yeah. Yeah.
So instead we're trying to do it all because the expectations have only increased. And they've only increased as far as a parenting, right? Like we're in this time of like intensive mothering, which means we're spending even more time with their kids and we're not only in charge of like feeding and clothing them, but we're in charge of their mental health and charge of like you know teach them how to be regulated emotional beings and not that that's bad but it's just that we don't have we're not given any more supports.
It's like you have a job and they just keep giving you more things with less so I understand one reaction to that is like well if that i'm just going to embrace the domestic sphere and actually this feels this feels better and for some women it does… but what happens is it when it's prescribed to all women. That's I think where we get into a real oppression and there's more to it but I'm like rambling so…
No you're everything you're saying I'm just like nodding nodding because everything you're saying is what I've been feeling especially in the online space where there is so much polarization, right? That's like what gets pumped out in the algorithm is this super polarized, either like, girl boss, you can have it all, you can have a seven -figure business while raising your babies. And then there's this other like trad wife movement. So it's very polarized. And I think a lot of women are probably left feeling like, well, I don't really want to do that, but I also don't really want to do that other thing. And so they're left feeling like, well, what is there for me, right?
In terms of privilege to another theme that was coming through a lot in my stories today, responses from people was, well, yes, I understand it's a privilege to stay home, but it's also really hard. But then there's also, yeah, I know it's a privilege that I get to go to work and pay for daycare, but I'm also really missing this time at home with my kids. And I think both sides of this argument are feeling like they need to kind of announce that it's a privilege…. when really the privilege is getting to choose, right? The privilege is I get to choose if I want to work because I'm not, you know, having to spend my entire paycheck to daycare or I get to choose if I want to stay home because, you know, my income isn't going to be completely impacted or, you know, I think it's, it comes down to these systemic issues again, right?
We don't have adequate maternity leave, we don't have adequate child care, and those things kind of push women into choices that they maybe wouldn't make for themselves if they had all the resources available to them. So I would love to kind of hear your take, though, on the Tradwife movement and why you think that's resonating with so many people. You kind of just touched on it, but yeah.
Yeah, no, I have more to say on that. Don't you worry. Yeah, I think that, first of all, tradwifes on the internet on social media are working. And I think we have to like acknowledge that behind the curtain, they are earning money, they're creating. Like, you know how much work it takes to create content.
That's the thing. I don't think people really are, I don't think that's clicking for a lot of people that all the tradwives you're watching they're spending hours per day creating and editing videos and building their platform like that is a lot of work and people don't realize how much work it is but it is.
Yes it takes so much time and so I think that's part of what I just want to like acknowledge is like they are, they are working, this is a business that they're doing and but what feels icky or one of the things it feels icky is that they are are selling something in an ideology that is not congruent with what they're actually doing right. So they're they're trying to kind of um proselytize this idea of like gender essentialism that women are happiest in the home in the domestic sphere that that motherhood is what we're meant to do and there's often a religious component i component, I think, for folks, which would be fine if that right now we're in a place where religion is, you know, supposed to be separate from politics.
And we're in a place where folks who have a particular religious background are trying to make everyone have these same beliefs. So there's a context here of really trying to,
I think push a particular agenda politically, systemically with rolling back of our reproductive rights, and then seeing that glamorized in these like beautiful images. And they can be so beautiful, which is part of what is like really enticing, right?
Seeing, you know, a woman who's like dressed in like a pretty dress and she just looks effortlessly beautiful in her beautiful home and with her babies and just like they're selling a dream that it's like the American dream really…. it's like this idea of like oh it's a romantic idea of what it can be and for many of us that's not most of our lives. Maybe there's a moment you get- I don't know but like it doesn't feel real and doesn't feel true. And so that's also I think quite harmful because you you know, we compare ourselves to these mom influencers and particularly trad wives.
And often there's, it's not just like, this is my hobby. I like to make my house look beautiful.
It's like it comes with messages of subservience of, right? Like sort of, yes, you're supposed to like kind of let your male partner, husband, be the boss and make the decisions. And that is all very icky and feels very unsafe. So yeah.
Yeah. And if that's like the roles that you want to have in your own marriage to each their own,
I guess, but to be spreading it like it's what everybody should be doing is not good. And you also just touched on something, though, that I think is also super important just from a mental health lens that I would love for you to talk about a little bit more when we get back from the break, which is this idea of comparison on social media. So we'll be right back.
So Erin, we were talking before the break about these like girl bosses and trad wives. And, you know, both can be kind of harmful when just, you know, the average mom is scrolling and sees all these images and all these videos about what motherhood could or should look like.
Are you seeing in your practice an uptick in things like anxiety from mom's scrolling social media or, you know, there's also, in addition to trad wife content, there's also a lot of experts out there now, experts in everything from feeding to sleep. I'm including myself in this development to, you know, speech. There's experts for everything, behavior. And sometimes I do wonder if it's causing more harm than good. So what do you think about that? What are you seeing?
Yes, yes. Well, my thoughts on that are, first of all, a lot of the moms today are like millennials, you know, millennials are kind of a big group. So I'm an elder millennial, but we have like a lot of millennials. There's some Gen X, Gen Z's there too. And my observation is that growing up, a lot of us really relied on external feedback to kind of know whether we were doing a, quote, good job. There was a lot of good and bad. There was a lot of reward and punishment, I think, back in our day, there wasn't as much, like, what are you feeling like right now? It wasn't a lot of co -regulation happening the way we're trying to figure out now.
It was Like, this is good, this is bad, right? And in lots of ways, right? And I think many of us could then rely on getting grades to know, you know, okay, I got a good grade or a bad grade.
That's how I know how I'm doing. I got an award or we won the game. I got a promotion. I got the job, right? There's all these like external markers.
And then you come into motherhood and you're inexperienced. You don't know what the heck you're doing. You have this huge responsibility in front of you. Your brain is changing. You're going through this transition and you might feel lost.I think a lot of us were not taught to look inside. Again, with like what we're trying to do as parents now is like, you know, okay, it seems like you're feeling frustrated, right? A lot of people didn't didn't get that. It seems like you're feeling frustrated. What do you need? It was don't do that, do this, do that. You know, I'm quite over generalizing here. But sort of in general, the trends have changed.
And so I think a lot of us then don't have this inner self -trust. And we're looking externally to sort of know what to do. And the experts, I think, are like, you know, it's like a catnip for us. It's like, tell me what to do. And I think that, as you know, motherhood, there's not one way to do it. And I think we hear often what maybe the optimal way would be, oh, here's what the optimal, here's the optimal time to let your kid watch TV. Here's the optimal time to breastfeed. Here's the optimal. And we hear optimal.
And I think like we think that's, that's the only way. It's that or we're failing. So I absolutely see a lot of moms really struggling if they're not meeting these like benchmarks that their pediatricians are saying or the experts are saying…. there there's no gray in there it's either I succeed or I fail and of course you're not going to succeed in all of these ways because that's we just laid out why it's so hard already to be successful.
So often there's I try to support my clients and just moms I know to like really like find some self compassion to sort of figure how they develop that self trust over time with experience with someone helping to kind of check in with them like we're trying to figure out how to do with our kids like yeah how'd that turn out? how'd that feel? Sounds like you're you're overwhelmed from trying to do all those things like you know so I think Yes.
And I think comparing yourself then to this very unrealistic perception of what a mother looks like, right? So with filters and curated, it's really easy to feel like we're messing up.
Yeah, I think that self -compassion advice is such a good thing for people to remember. And I think for a lot of us, it can feel really hard to start something like that? What's a good way to start a type of practice like that do you find?
Yeah. So self -compassion, I feel like is like the, it's the thing right now, right? We kind of have different things. I think mindfulness was like big for a while. You know, things change. But what I really like about self -compassion is to me, it's like I'm human. I'm flawed and I deserve empathy and just like someone I know if they were saying, you know, I'm struggling to do, you know, do this parenting thing. I think there is something that many of us can relate to is feeling like, yeah, you're too hard on yourself. But we often have adapted this like internal voice that is harsh.
And There's lots of reasons for that culturally, but also in our families of origin. And a lot of people think that if they, if they, that's helpful. A lot of people think that like that's keeping them going. If I'm hard at myself, I'm like a tough coach of myself, that's going to protect me. And I think a lot of then people realize actually it's, it's not protecting you or it did protect you at one point.
And now we can have other tools. So it's sort like softening that inner voice it's it's realizing like a good coach or just like a good parent is someone who believes in your goodness who says like you're you're having a hard time not like you're bad right…. I think that what we're trying to do as parents with our kids you know you're you're not a bad kid you're having a bad time or i don't know what are the things people say yeah yeah yeah no that sounds right yeah like you're applying that to yourself. It's like, yeah, I'm having a hard time. So therefore, I deserve comfort. I deserve connection and support.
I deserve to give myself a break. If I really did something so terrible and it's hurting someone, then I should repair, right? And try to ask for forgiveness and then forgive myself. So it's like an internal, it's the relationship you have with yourself that I think can really help when things are hard because they will be.
Yeah. It sounds like you're talking a little bit about this idea that is quite popular now as well of like reparenting yourself or like kind of mothering yourself. Is that accurate to say?
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's especially when you're a mom, it's an easier way to kind of think about that relationship because we're trying to figure that out with our kids. So yeah, it's applying even things that you naturally do to, like, soothe your kid, I think those are things we can provide ourselves. And I think many of us weren't taught to do that.
Yeah, I love that. You also mentioned the brain change. And I would love it if you could just explain what you mean by that with the changes to the brain right after you have a baby.
Yeah. So there's some really great books about that. A couple, I could recommend our mother Brain, Mother Brain by Chelsea Conovoy is a great book. And then a new book by Dr. Nicky Pensac called Rattled. Really also explores the sort of changes to your brain after. And I'm not like a neuropsych person. So I'm not good at explaining that.
But in general, we can sort of think about how like our brains like have been sort of responding to the world just as singleton single people and now we have this like this new person to protect and so our focus is going to change and it's going to develop and grow in in a really good way. We talk about mom brain as being like the you know a mom brain I can't focus I'm having brain fog. Well, a lot of times it's because we're developing these new skills and new tools, right, that our brain is now kind of, like, growing.
So this idea that moms are now, like, less capable is such a lie. It's actually that we are more capable is such a lie. It’s actually that we are more capable it’s just that We're just focusing on different things than maybe we were before. So I think it's pretty cool research again i'm not the really the best person to talk about it but definitely check out those two resources.
No, I love that i always love getting book recommendations so i'm going to look at i've heard of rattled and i was trying to get her on the podcast. I think… let me oh make a note that we went to grad school together…
Oh cool okay i'll name i'll name drop you to get her interested.
Oh yeah Erin this has been such a great conversation the thing that I would love to know before we wrap up is what is something that you wish somebody had told you before you became a mom.
Yes, the theme of the podcast. Oh, my goodness, so many things. I guess just like it's okay to be a beginner. I think for me particularly, I want to do things well and I want to become an expert as soon as possible. And I feel so much more confident once I have it all down. And I think I was really trying to rush that. And I like, yeah, I wish I just felt like I had permission to just sort of take it slow. And, you know, like some confidence that you're going to get there, but you don't have to get there right away, you know, just like.
Are you an oldest daughter? I am. I'm such a classic older sister.
Me too. I was like, yep, that sounds about right. Yeah, that's really good advice though. I love that. Where can people find your new provider directory, the inclusive provider directory, and all of your other resources?
Yes. So you could probably find it all through my page on Instagram. it's feminist .mom .com therapist and the inclusive provider directory really came out of like seeing so many people wanting providers, therapists who had a similar lens who weren't going to gaslight them and sort of say like oh just have you tried telling your partner like what you need and right making a list and like not having this like awareness of what moms are dealing with.
And so I decided like let's create a directory where I can put all the people that I think get it or at least are you know aware of these different systems in one place so that families can find them. So I'm really excited about building that. If there are providers listening, I would love it for you to sign up. But that's at inclusive providers .com.
And I also have a podcast, the Feminist Mom Podcast, Feministmompodcast .com.
Perfect. Thank you so much. I'll link all that stuff for people to find it easily. It's all such helpful information and just really great resources for moms. And I always love your Instagram stories too, just very entertaining. I loved the series you did recently. I think you saved it as a highlight with the magazines, like looking at all the magazines from back in the day. And it's like, no wonder we all had like eating disorders and all these other issues. It's just insane. But yeah, you always do such a thoughtful job of speaking to moms and women. So I really appreciate you. Thanks so much for being here.
Thanks, Rachael. This was great.
