Q&A with Rachael and her husband, Marley
Episode 44: Q&A with Rachael and her husband, Marley
Join Rachael and her husband Marley as they answer some of YOUR most asked questions this week, share a glimpse into their life at home, and more!
Here is what they discuss In this fun episode:
Marley gives an update on his recent stay-at-home dad life transition
Rachael and Marley share how they decided to have a third baby
How Marley handles Rachael’s trips away when he is solo with kids overnight
How to gain confidence taking kids out solo
Marley is an LCMSW from San Francisco, CA and now a stay-at-home dad of three!
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Rachael is a mom of 3, founder of Hey, Sleepy Baby, and the host of this podcast.
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Welcome back to No One Told Us, the podcast that tells the truth about parenting and talks about all the stuff you wish you had talked about before you had kids. It's another episode with my husband Marley.
Hey everybody. Our last couple episodes were popular because I think people just really like hearing your opinions on things. So today we're We're gonna do a little bit of a Q &A at the end before we get into people's questions A lot of people are wanting just like a very quick update. How is stay -at -home dad life going? How are you liking it?
Stay -at -home dad life has Got into a really great place. I think there was you know some adjustments for both of us making the transition,but I think we're in a routine now. The kids really like it. It's so lovely to get to spend all this time with Leni.
Yeah. It's nice for you to be able to A) have more time to work but also B) have more time to do all the other things in life that make life worth living.
Yeah. I've gotten to exercise a little bit. A little acupuncture, a little socialization. I'm like getting out in the world again. It's fabulous. Which has been very nice. I will say, like in all honesty, we did struggle a little bit early on. Oh, yeah. The first few months were kind of tough.
But I don't think that we were as Honest with ourselves about you know, any transitional period is gonna take some time to adjust. Yeah, and I think that we were hoping that we would just hit the ground running and it would be easy and like obviously It wasn't and we were sort of foolish for not Anticipating that…. I will say I was foolish for not anticipating.
Well, yeah, and I think, I mean, to be honest, I think I had unrealistic expectations where I just assumed that since you were taking on the full -time caretaker role, you would also be taking on all of the mental load that I had been carrying. And I think for our relationship, maybe that just has not worked.
I would say that some of that mental load you are unwilling to give up.
Fair enough, but yeah, I think that was the piece that we struggled with the most was this expectation that I had that I would just be able to hand over absolutely everything kid related, doctors appointments, ordering new diapers, like all those little minutiae that take up my brain space. I kind of thought I'd be able to.
You still can, this is still a work process. We're not, it's not set in stone. We can continue to adjust. I'm open.
Okay, but I think maybe we need to like refresh ourselves on the fair play Method because I don't want to have to remind you. I don't want to have to make you a list.
I don't want those things either… So that means you need to take some like initiative to be able to to take some stuff off of my list and no No,it's the point is that I'm not supposed to make a list. Oh, no We're gonna communicate what's gonna be transitioned. Okay, And then you can stop thinking about it.
Okay, that'd be great. 'Cause the kids are overdue for dentist appointments. Anyway, okay, so the next thing people wanted to hear about was I recently went on a couple of trips. So in the last several months, I went on a bachelorette party. Actually, that was like a year ago now. That was a really long time ago now. But more recently, I went on a three night trip, which was kind of for work, but it was also for fun. I wanted to kind of get away and meet some of my online creator friends and like invest in my business. So I went to this summit, this conference in Nashville. I was gone for three days. Leni, our toddler still co -sleeps with us, still breastfeeds, is very attached, although she's very attached to you as well. So I think a lot of people were curious about how that went.
I would say this most recent time, it went much better than the first time 'cause it was a surprise to us, but Leni wasn't super reliant on bottles in the night. She wasn't as desperate for milk and so we were actually, I was able to just give her water in the middle of the night and she was totally satisfied with that and then she would go back down. So I think the first time around when you went as a part of a year ago, it took like a lot of waking up at night and warming up the bottle.
She was younger at that time. Like she, we struggled with bottle refusal and, but she needed to nurse or she needed the breast milk because she was still under a year old. So that was a little bit more anxiety provoking to me. This time she was about 16 months, I think when I left. And so I knew like, you know, I had a little bit of stress because She's not an amazing eater, but I knew that she wasn't going to go on a hunger strike.
Yeah, and it was great because she's more familiar with me now and sleeping with me and doing naps and stuff. And so the sleep stuff wasn't nearly as intimidating because we had had this practice leading up to the trip. And the nights weren't perfect by any means. She would wake up and sort of like look around and say mama, and then she would go back to sleep. You know, there's a number of times where she would wake up throughout the course of the night. But overall considering like the benefit of you being able to go do that. It was great. The kids were great.
Did you even attempt to put her down by herself or did you close sleep with her the whole time? I close sleep with her because I love close sleep. If we're just we'll be honest on this podcast like I could… theoretically but like this is my baby. She's adorable, she loves me and I love being with her.
That's great. I love that.
Yeah, it's the best.
Okay, so was it like hardest the first night and then got increasingly easier or was it pretty much the same each night as far as how much she would wake up and how much she would like cry and stuff?
You know, I think that we both anticipated that it would get progressively easier, but I don't really think it did. I think that it was pretty good, all things considered. Each night.
Yeah, And it would have been nice if like, you know, we had hoped that, oh, she'll get the hint that like you're not here and maybe she'll just like relax. Cause it happened, I think with Otto or Noe when you had gone away, I can't remember specifically. Noe. Um, but it was okay. And it was all good. I'm like, was I a little bit more tired than usual? Sure. But like, I don't know. There's something about when a parent is gone that like the kids get it.
Yeah. You're not like telling them to understand. And so they see that the other parents are not there, one's in charge and they can sort of like... They figure it out.
Yeah, they adjust pretty quickly.
Okay, first couple questions are about your appearance. One is, is your hair inspired by Rizzo from Greece? Shout out, here's a deep dive. Who asked? I was actually in my Katrina high school production of Greece and I was Danny Zuko So I'm a huge fan.
It's true. He's growing his hair out right now. Listen, I don't have a job right now. I don't not trying to this woman I love her to death. I got three kids. I'm happily married like I wear a helmet alll day long I look like John Bon Jovi.
I get it, but I sort of like it. It's great. Appearance related question was why are you fully clothed right now because you never have a shirt on? This is not my choice. I would like to be here without a shirt on, but my wife, you know, she shames me. We're recording, so I had to insist on the shirt.
Okay, here's a real question. Actually, there are several about the three -kid thing. Lots of questions on how we decided to have three and then some questions about why we stopped at three.
Okay. What was your kind of thought process for having a third independent and deciding on whether or not we could handle it or should do it? Some of this is just like contextual in the time in the world that we were we had Noe and then the pandemic hit and we were just home a lot. Yeah, we didn't really know what the world would look like and I don't know. We really loved our family. We love our kids. Like we have a great support network. I'm not going to say something felt like it was missing, but it felt like something could be added.
Noe seemed like she would be a great big sister. Otto's like an incredible big brother. Just like it felt like our family culture was in a good place after the first year, after 2020. That was rough. Yeah, I was going to say it definitely took us till we took a dip, but then we came out of the dip and we're like, oh yeah, - That's right, we love each other and this is good.
Definitely took a while, yeah.
And it's been fabulous. I think that we learned so much from our first two kids and I think Leni's really reaping the benefit of us being more confident as parents, us being more stable, just like less stressed out. I mean, each one of our first two kids was born into pretty stressful situations, just like…. When Otto was born, I was working in school, had an internship, you were working full time. Like it was just a lot going on and Noe was born into like the worst year for everyone ever.
For everyone ever, yeah. Our lives, other than her birth. So I think that we thought that we were just gonna be like at home doing family stuff and we thought we could tolerate it. And no regrets whatsoever.
No, and then the follow -up question to that was, how do you know you're done at three?
I mean, I got no mental capacity for like anything else. This is, I feel very much at my limit. Your personal time, it goes away. That's not a surprise. Yeah. You know, you have very little time to do the things outside of family stuff, which is okay. I still get to do some of that stuff you could probably do more of it but like we can't handle more… we can't handle more. It would just start it would start to take away from our other kids I think I think right now like they have such a beautiful siblingrelationship and dynamic we still are able to carve out time for you know just having two of them at a time or just having one of them at a time…. and our kids crave that yeah they do they they really do like having that special time with us. So I think adding any more would just kind of take away from the kids we already have. And I mean, also like financially and support system wise, like, we used to be able to ask people to watch our two kids really pretty easily.
We didn't feel that bad asking, you know, our parents to babysit or anything. Now with three, it's definitely a bigger ask. And with four, I feel like we would just never leave the house again, like we would never go on date.
I feel like there would just never be screaming in the house. They would just be constant. - They would never not be screaming, I mean? Yeah, no, I mean, as it is now, someone is literally always screaming, so. - And we have friends that have four, and some people that, like, they look confident and strong in it, and, like, it works for their family. They have a nice system in place, but. - Yeah, I mean, if they have, like, support and resources, and if they have kids with, you know, more chill temperaments too, I think all of that stuff definitely plays into it, but, no, we are fully, fully done. It would be a medical miracle if we had another. So medical failure. Yeah, true. Another person on my behalf.
Another person said they don't recognize you with your shirt on. Someone asked, I think this is a really good question. What age do you think parenting gets easier at? That's a good question. I don't feel like it really got easier for me. And I don't know if it's an age thing or it's an experience thing, but I would say in the last two years, I have just gotten more comfortable. I mean, we were just doing this funny thing this morning with Otto. Otto asked me how many seconds I had been alive, and it was something like 1 ,200 ,000 ,000 ,000. And so we looked him up, and it gives you all the different statistics, and Otto has been alive for like 200 ,000 seconds or something. -Yeah, but like 2 ,400 days or something like that.
It feels like way longer. Yeah, but that's still a lot of days. Like several thousand days of parenting is, you know, it's quite a bit of. So on what day would you say you started to feel like it was getting easier?
I would say like with Leni, I just felt confident at each stage in life. So I think really like 36, -37. Oh, you're age? No, I think the person's asking the kid's age. Oh, what, kid's age? Oh, I was like, this is gonna vary greatly from everybody. God, I'm such an idiot.
The kid's age? -Yeah. Oh, three was awful for us, so four. Okay, yeah, I think it actually just, it goes like this. Like, for me, the first couple months, I love, and then it gets really hard for me in like the more mobile baby stage. And then I love the toddler stage. And then three was super hard with our older kids. And then four, five,
six is like magical 'cause they're real people. And, you know, there are still hard moments, of course, but it's like, it's just so cool and rewarding to have real conversations with them and to be able to take them anywhere and do anything with them that we want.
Yeah, the age when you like take them on an airplane and they won't watch a screen and they won't sit still. Hell. That's a challenging age. Hell on earth.
And then the three for us, like terrible twos, I don't know, that just felt like some-- - No, we love age too. - Some boomer lie that I was told it's terrible, like for three -nager or whatever it is. - Yeah, I know. - Where they like have so many opinions and they're just absolutely insane.
It's the screaming. Yeah. The constant just noise, okay. Next question, oh, we were just this this morning how to how do you get more comfortable solo parenting a toddler plus the baby….. you have to visualize it if you ever watch if you like google like olympians self talk, you'll see like professional athletes they talk themselves through what's going to happen they're like it's like drive sprint blah blah blah you just have to tell yourself like you have to build your Confidence in it before you do it. Yeah, that's what I do.
What's your inner dialogue? It's gonna be okay Be prepared and then prepare for the scenarios right didn't never underestimate how much food your kids need to eat….Because one thing we have learned in parenting… Oh my god, a lot of tantrums and you know like moodiness could have been solved if we had just brought because like being prepared, meaning having all the stuff you could need just kind of relieve some of the anxiety about like, oh, well, what if this happens?
Well, then you don't have to be married to a specific outcome, then you're just you can anticipate whatever comes. And if you just know that you can handle whatever happens, then it makes it much easier. If you're like, Oh, no, if I like, they need to nap X time and they need to have food, then the rigidity becomes really challenging because kids, they don't love to follow your idea of what's supposed to happen all the time.
Yeah, okay, that's true. And just doing it, just with more practice. I remember when Noe was a toddler and Otto was like three or four and you started to take both of them out to do more. You were nervous. For sure. And like it just really took you having to do it, like you didn't have a choice because I had to work on the weekends. And so you just didn't have a choice. You had to get them out for a few hours at a time every single weekend and you just got better and better at it. And now you throw all three on the bike and take them for an entire day by yourself.
Don't hate me, but I'm going to use another sports analogy. You've got to get your reps in, right? Like 10 ,000, whatever. Just continuously do it and be generous with yourself. Know that it's not going to be perfect every time and then just be like, all right, well, I learned from it and I'll do it again. Because it gets easier over time, just like learning a new job or any new skill, like you start from a place of not really knowing and having an idea and then you learn on the go and you get progressively better.
Yeah, okay, like that. Someone else asked, have you always had the same views you do now on parenting? And the second part of the question is just like, where did you get your ideas on parenting?
No, I do not. My ideas have changed pretty drastically. I said something just like that still makes me cringe. I get secondhand embarrassment for myself all the time, but I was at an internship. I was working with incarcerated parents who were having contact visits with their babies and their children. And one time during clinical supervision, I was talking with my supervisor. She was talking about like really young babies who, we're just talking about developmental stuff. And I made this comment to her about how babies don't have, oh my God, well they don't really have personalities. And she looked at me rightfully self, like, well that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard, like they absolutely do.
And I think that it really, it highlighted….. Did we have kids at this point? No, it's - No, this is pre -kids, this is my first internship. And it just highlighted how little I knew. Yeah. - And how little I, you know, I like, knew a lot about transitional age youth and all this other kind of stuff, but I didn't know a lot about young kids. It had never been talked about. I'd like, I didn't really have many ideas. And it really wasn't until you were pregnant that like I started reading and trying to like, gather information about this stuff. But so much of what I know, I learned on the fly, because you can also read a bunch of information. And then the baby comes, you're like, this is not applicable in the least.
Yeah, or it turns out a lot of the stuff we read was just wrong. Yeah. Yeah. And so a lot of my ideas, you know, I continue to learn. And now that I'm like deeply immersed in parenthood, it's much easier to talk to other parents who have kids that a bunch,
you just have a lot of exposure to parents. And we didn't early on, we didn't have a lot of friends that had kids.
No, we were kind of the first. And so that sort of left us up shit’s creek trying to have a, you know, a community of peers that would provide us a lot of information. And now it feels much more like we have friends with older kids, we have friends with younger kids, we can impart knowledge on people. Yeah. Yeah.I think all of that is fair. And just, you And I think all of us have an idea just based on how we were raised of things that we want to do and things that we don't want to do.
And then like you said, once you've had your kid and you try to meet this kid where they're at and you're trying to parent the kid in front of you, you don't have to be afraid to change your ideas just because you learn new information. No, and you should definitely be open to it because if people want to critique their parents for giving them advice that's outdated then you can't also give the experience that you experienced that much credence because it's also 35 years old. Some of it's good. I'm not trying to knock the wisdom of an older generation. Some of it's super valuable and helpful and some of it's not and that's the same with your own experiences as the child. Some of that stuff that you think is normal maybe wasn't that great and maybe there were some things that you don't know about that would have benefited.
Yeah, just always being open, I think is good.
Someone wants to know my most annoying habit. Your most annoying habit? Mm -hmm. - I mean, you just won't say what's on your mind. Like the amount of deep sighs that we catch throughout the day…. (sighs) It is like-- - Are you trying to say I'm passive aggressive?
Big time, big time.
Okay. - Can I respond with your most endearing quality? - Oh, sure. - When Rachael gets super excited about anything, she's not overtly like, "Yay, I'm so happy, I'm so giddy." But if you ever see her in person, you'll see that if she has a good snack or if you did something really sweet without her having to ask, half the corners of her mouth will turn up just so subtly but you can tell that she's fucking overjoyed and it is it 10 years in…. oh my god every time lights me up it just makes me so happy it is a wonderful quality.
Thank you similarly what did you think of me the first time? we met I was wasted the first time we met it was not a good luck it wasn't and then we - We had a great first date. - I showed up really drunk because I was really nervous.
This girl can't drink, could never drink and was hammered the first time. And then like the first part of the date went well and you were like, oh, do you wanna come like meet my friends at trivia night? And I was like, sure. And then she just walked away from me, started eating this other guy's pizza. And I thankfully had enough confidence. I was like, all right, just like stay in your lane. I started chatting it up with her friends, had a pretty good time. It was like to show that you're not like a jealous,
you know, nervous Nelly and it worked out. And then lo and behold, she didn't even know this dude. She was starving. I was just eating his pizza. Well, you didn't feed me on our date. We had oysters. I didn't feed you? We had oysters and that's it. I was so hungry.
It is my responsibility to feed you? Yes. On a first date, are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? I thought we were like the empowerment of - Women feeding themselves.
No, that guy was like a friend of a friend. I had met him maybe one or two times before. He never came back into the story. No, I don't even remember his name. All right, let's get another question. I also never saw Rachael’s Elbows for like the first four years that we were dating.
She like….. this kind of dress. - Here they are. - You see all this like flesh that, wolf, that's like, that's a decade in the making. I'm a very conservative dresser overall.
Yeah. Oh, this is a good one. I think this one's really relatable for us too. Someone asked if it's normal for their relationship to still be suffering 13 months postpartum with their first baby? For sure. Yeah. Yeah. Hang in there. It is... Rachael and I struggle, I mean with Noe, we struggled for a long time. Yeah. And some of that stuff that's going on in the world. Right now there's a lot of stuff going on in the world. Being postpartum just by itself can be incredibly challenging. The adjustment of life, the weather, the seasons. Like, you know, if you live somewhere where it gets dark early and it's cold, like that 100 % makes it super challenging. Give yourself time to figure out what co -parenting together looks like.
Like, it would be great if you were on the same page from day one but like your kid as they get to each new developmental stage you and your partner have to continue to be like oh this is like a new thing that we have to figure out like and it's sort of like not frustrating but it's like dang we just figured out how to co -parent a toddler together and what to do when baby does said thing we know how to respond and then all of a sudden they don't do that anymore when they're doing some other egregious thing.
So put your therapist hat on though. Would you say that it's quote unquote normal for a couple to be struggling for a year and should they just keep chugging along?
Should they go to therapy? Like what would you suggest?
It really depends on the couple, right? Are these two people both on the same page about the fact that they're struggling? Are they communicating about it? Are they looking for ways in their lives to sort of remedy this? Are they open to outside support? Do they have the same ideas about support?
You know, it is really helpful to have places outside of your relationship to process things. I encourage. I'm going to say I cannot encourage that men find other or non-birth partners, find other non -birth partners to talk to about things. And specifically, men just don't really talk about it all that much. And you need to have a place outside of your family, outside of your partner to be able to process things. But I think that you can't just keep doing the same thing and hope that it'll change. I think that there needs to be some method of making that change happen and if that's involving, you know, some outside mental health support, that's great, you know, that can be super beneficial.
And like a more immediate, accessible solution is finding your support group in your community. Like I cannot say how much my best friend who's also a father has been able to just help me clarify my own ideas about stuff that's going on between us so that I can then say, "Oh yeah, maybe this was something that I was seeing that was short -sighted, but I didn't have to try it out on you. We didn't have to fight it out." Well, it helps that your best friend is also a therapist. Yeah, it's fucking dope. He's the best.
Shout out to Sam. Shout out to Sam. It's for you, but... I think that's a really good point. And I mean, for women too, like we also need community and support and we need to lean on each other. And I think a lot of moms are really isolated right now and don't have that like best mom friend or that group of women that they can kind of process with and vent to and talk. I think one of the main problems is that we are so isolated. And then when we're also isolated from our partner, because were just really struggling, it just kind of spirals.
And let's acknowledge that it is unfair 'cause I think in a lot of relationships, it's assumed that the mom sort of knows what's going on. Like the dad tries to support the best that they can but they're not the ones taking the lead, they don't know the stuff. And like when you're both having a kid for the first time, like who cares if she played with dolls when she was a baby? Like she didn't have a birth before, she didn't breastfeed before, like any of these things. Not taking a backseat and trying to be as proactive as possible, I think is super important. But moms, I think it can feel a lot of shame if they are like struggling and not knowing what's going on because of this pressure put on them by their partner or society, whatever.
Yeah, but I think you touched on something really important which is that even if you guys are struggling, like even just naming that can be so so healing and helpful,
even just coming to your partner and saying, I know that we are not in a great place right now. I know that this is not how we wanna be. And just acknowledging it, just putting it on the table. And I think that can be such a huge start because you wanna be an example for your kids. And I'm definitely not proud of how we've acted in front of our kids when we've been going through it. And now that they're older and can understand it, they will tell us like stop fighting. If we're like even if our tone is even just a little bit off, they're like they're so aware and they're so sensitive to it. We just really have to be careful and you know, make sure that we always repair in front of them if they've heard something that was upsetting or anything like that.
But yeah, as as the kids get older to just like really don't be afraid to seek out support because they do they're like little sponges they pick up on that stress. When every time they say don't yell, I'm like, oh my God, if you think that's yelling, you should have seen my childhood. - It's also like really rich for Noe to yell at us about yelling because the girl does not-- - knows no other volume. - She has no other volume than screaming.
All right, let's do one more question. Someone's asking you why you're wearing a white socks hat. Honestly, because it is the best logo. He likes it for estethic.
Also, notoriously grew up in the age of NWA just being king of cool. Okay, that's not actually our last question. You don't need to go into detail.
Well, check it out, it's cool. All right, how do you not take it out on each other when having a hard day with the kids? This is something that I probably struggle with way more than you. This is like my biggest thing, actually.
Oh no, honey, no, not at all. Not at all. When the kids are triggering me, I try so hard to not lose it at them that I immediately I'm like How can I yell at you? How can I get mad at you? How is this your fault?
I love doing this podcast with you because shit…..She would never say that I'll admit things to you guys that I would never admit to him behind closed doors. So hey sleepy baby contingency thank you. There is this very funny thing where if the kids are yelling and they're escalating and I'm overstimulating and then Rachel's it and then if I'm somewhere else I'm like, I'll just wait. I go here comes here. It comes here and then Rachael will somewhere appear and go Can you do something? We want me to do we've we've done this.
I mean, it's hard because like as a parent There's not always interventions to fix that what's happening with your kids. Sometimes your kid just needs time to - I know chill and calm down. There isn’t always something you can do. I get actively overstimulated too. And then, you just have to be aware of it. Because I didn’t want it to be a big issue with you and I.. I name it in the moment.
When you're doing it in the moment, I'm like, I see that this is overwhelming for you and it feels like you're taking it out on me because I don't want to rehash it later. I want to name it in the moment so that like these resentments don't build over.
And by the way, I don't love that when he does it. I get really annoyed. She doesn't have to, but if I want to reference it later in a conversation about how this happened, she can't just go, "No, I don't." I'm like. No, but you, it did take you pointing it out to me for me to even become aware that I was doing that, so. And it It took me years to do that, I didn't do it in the moment. I mean, it happened, became a pattern and I was like, "Oh, we need to like name this pattern so that we can sort of work on it." And you don't do it really as much anymore.
Yeah, I mean, it's amazing what some self -awareness will do. So don't just assume that your partner is aware of what they're doing or why they're doing it. And it probably helps to bring it up in a calm moment versus in the moment at first.
But I also think that you do need to bring it up. Yeah, for sure. Like, it's not always fun to have these conversations where you're like hashing out issues in your relationship. And certainly if you're like, you fought and now you're in a good place again, you're like, man, I don't really wanna talk about fighting again, I don't wanna, like, we're good. But the thing is like, then resentments build. And they build, you know, if you plug a reality TV show, you'll be proud of me. if you're a millennial and you are in this parenting moment in life, watch the valley. Oh my god. Yes. They're trash.
No, they're not. Nia and Danny are not. We love Nia and Danny, but they also communicate really well. They do. They do. I shouldn't say they're trash, but they demonstrate how not acknowledging or communicating about things and just saying, we're fine, we'd never get divorced, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, just builds into like a resentment and they're like, oh, we have no way back from this. We have built up such incredible walls and animosity towards each other. But they don't like each other anymore at all? At all. They're not attracted to each other. They can't figure out ways to communicate.
And that is, you know, it is reality TV show and it's meant to be whatever,but Like it's interesting if you're in this moment in your life to see people go through that and like there are various stages of it on the show and people are like, "Hey man." I know. I wrote a whole newsletter about it a few weeks ago because it to me is like the most relatable thing on TV that I have seen since becoming a mom probably. Yeah. Surprisingly. It's been shocking. I know. But it really is. Okay, we're going to end it there. Thanks so much for joining him. You're welcome, sweetie. I love you so much. Thank you. (laughing)
